Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 10 Num. 06

("Quid coniuratio est?")


Did Lawrence Myers Play a Role in Hoppy Heidelberg's Dismissal?

In CN 10.05 ("Strange Hayes Case Gets Stranger") I wondered just what the "South-Central Kentucky Bureau" was. A reader was nice enough to inform me that it is the South-Central Kentucky Bureau of the Lexington Herald-Leader. You'll recall that I wrote that, "According to Gail Gibson of the South-Central Kentucky Bureau, 'Prosecutors charge that Hayes, 61, arranged to pay an undercover FBI agent $5,000 to kill his son... The two men are involved in a bitter legal fight over the estate of Chuck Hayes' mother.'" I was informed that Gail Gibson has written at least 3 articles on the Hayes trial, temporarily available at no cost at the Herald-Leader's web site:

I was in time and pulled up those other articles written by Gibson (with help from colleagues), from the Herald-Leader web site. They provide a good summary of the Hayes case, useful to any readers unacquainted with the details. For further background, read articles written by J. Orlin Grabbe, especially the series "Allegations Regarding Vince Foster, the NSA, and Banking Transactions," available at and at

The gist of the story (which may astound any new readers) is that Charles "Chuck" Hayes, a former CIA agent fed up with rampant government corruption, began a personal crusade to clean things up. He, with the help of knowledgeable friends, used a secret computer "back door" to enable them to "hack" their way into secret computer accounts. Many of the computers allegedly hacked into belonged to Swiss banks. From the secret information they obtained, Hayes and his "Fifth Column" of like-minded crusaders gained leverage to use against corrupt government officials. "Leave office by sundown, or else we'll blab what we know," this Fifth Column presumably warned Congress-persons, bureaucrats, and others. Besides their inside evidence of individual corruption, Hayes and friends, via their back-door access to bank accounts, reportedly were able to withdraw the bribe money stored there by politicians and other powerful persons.

Did Hayes' actions cause a counter-attack by forces aligned with the U.S. government? I spoke with a source who prefers to remain anonymous, a man with years of investigative experience, who believes that that is what the Hayes case is about. According to this source, the Hayes case is a more or less straightforward example of government retaliation against people who have somehow annoyed them. Reportedly, vicious elements within the U.S. government prefer if possible to discredit their enemies rather than simply murder them. Elimination of witnesses by murder can have messy complications, so these elements prefer to set people up on false charges so as to discredit them and/or remove them from the picture. This editor is familiar with such tactics apparently being routinely used, such as in the case of Terry Reed, where Reed had false charges brought against him so as to impugn his testimony.

Further key information on the Hayes case is provided by Gail Gibson, in her series of articles from the Lexington Herald-Leader. An affidavit by FBI agent David Keller claims that Hayes had agreed to pay $5,000 to have his son murdered, but had only actually paid $100. This Agent Keller, according to J. Orlin Grabbe, may have been a former member of The Outlaws motorcycle gang who has both used and sold heroin while at the same time informing on other gang members. Dr. Grabbe bases this claim on information obtained by investigators working on behalf of the defendant.

Gibson also reports that there are supposed to exist taped conversations between Hayes and Keller which will help shed light on what happened. Allegedly, Hayes can be heard to ask Keller what his FBI number is, according to Gatewood Galbraith, attorney for Hayes. If it can be shown that Hayes was perfectly aware of Keller's being an FBI agent, this raises the question: Why on earth would Hayes have contracted his son's murder with a known FBI agent? I am told that, by order of presiding Judge Jennifer B. Coffman, these tapes have not been allowed to be played publicly.

In Dr. Grabbe's article, "Judge Jennifer B. Coffman's Kangaroo Court," the iconoclastic ex-Wharton professor charges that prosecution witness Lawrence Myers, a former writer for Media Bypass Magazine, is a convicted felon. Myers reportedly was once convicted on an extortion charge and was later confined to a mental institution. If true, this makes one wonder: What sort of "witness" is Myers? Sherman Skolnick in the past has voiced suspicions that Myers is not, as would seem, merely an honest reporter trying to do his job, but a deep-cover government agent who uses a "reporter" disguise to facilitate the gathering of information on subversive types.

The anonymous source mentioned above, with whom I spoke by telephone today, connects Lawrence Myers to the dismissal of Hoppy Heidelberg from a grand jury investigating the April 19, 1995 Oklahoma City bombing or bombings. According to this reputable source, Hoppy Heidelberg retained attorney John DeCamp while Heidelberg was on the abovementioned grand jury. Heidelberg himself, when I spoke with him by telephone, described how he chose DeCamp. Heidelberg was familiar with the Liberty Lobby organization, and sought their advice on finding a good attorney. They recommended DeCamp. At the time, says Heidelberg, he was unaware that DeCamp served as legal consultant for Media Bypass Magazine.

My anonymous source tells me that, protected by attorney/client privilege, Heidelberg discussed developments in the investigation with DeCamp. Heidelberg says that is almost correct, but that DeCamp, being busy at the time, hired Ted Gunderson as an investigator and sent him to Oklahoma to talk with Heidelberg. Ted Gunderson, having been hired by DeCamp, was also under the cloak of attorney/client privilege, according to Heidelberg.

Heidelberg is not 100 percent certain as to the timeline of exactly when he hired DeCamp as his attorney. He believes it was shortly before he was thrown off the grand jury for supposedly leaking information. When Gunderson came to interview Heidelberg, he brought along a videographer to tape the interview. Not known by Heidelberg at the time was that Gunderson feared that something might happen to the grand juror and wanted to have taped evidence of what was said. But Heidelberg refused to allow the videotaping. Nonetheless, the videographer, a Mr. Cook (or Cooke), was allowed to remain present during the interview. Cook, says Heidelberg, having been hired by Gunderson, was not bound by attorney/client privilege. Awhile later, Cook reportedly spoke with Troy Underhill of Media Bypass Magazine, who relayed what Cook had to say to Lawrence Myers of that same magazine. Heidelberg says that Myers then spoke by phone with Cook more than once, and eventually taped what Cook had to say. Myers then reportedly phoned Heidelberg, who listened to the tape-recording of Cook. Heidelberg insists that he only listened, and did not give Myers any information. Yet Myers, in an article in the November 1995 Media Bypass Magazine ("OKC Grand Jurors Claim 'Cover-Up'"), claimed to have had "an exclusive interview" with "a grand juror."

Regarding Sherman Skolnick's "Tweedledee/Tweedledum" viewpoint, that the Hayes case is a subtle scheme whereby Myers plays the bad guy so as to make Hayes appear to be the good guy, my anonymous source expressed skepticism. Regarding Media Bypass Magazine itself, my source is not certain whether they may have been innocent dupes or if the fringe magazine is not, as it seems, a reform-minded publication. Is Media Bypass Magazine some sort of tricky operation, whose strings are pulled by hidden manipulators? I phoned them today but was unable to speak with anyone who could give an authoritative answer. One CN reader, who has had articles published in the magazine, assures me that they are basically aboveboard. He claims that "an orchestrated effort to shut down the magazine has [thus far] failed." He adds that "Rich Azar, the news editor, is on the Hayes story and has yet another edition of it in the February Media Bypass."

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