("Quid coniuratio est?")
SHERMAN SKOLNICK INTERVIEW
Sherman Skolnick was interviewed on Radio Free America
(Shortwave, 5.810 mHz, mon-fri, 9 pm cst) on September 2, 1994.
Mr. Skolnick is a veteran investigative reporter from Chicago and
founder of the "Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts" in
that city. Following is my transcription of that interview.
Host/Interviewer is Tom Valentine.
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- Well Elliott Richardson is one of the few Washington insiders
that I would want to have and would actually listen to and would
believe 90 percent of what he says.
- Uh now he has been, he and his law associates, lawyer associates,
have been the attorneys for the Hamiltons -- the Inslaw company.
- All right. He represents the people who were wronged by the
- All right. Now when Judge Bua was called upon (we'll get back to
Bua and your years of experience with him later), when Judge Bua
was called upon to whitewash the...
- But he resigned as a federal district judge and he was appointed
by the Bush administration to, for the Justice Department to
investigate themselves. And he was the special counsel to a
special Inslaw federal grand jury in Chicago.
- Yeah. The "fix" was in. O.K.
- We became very knowledgeable about it, because I and my
associates volunteered as paralegals to assist one of the grand
jury witnesses who was in Chicago in jail!
- He was also a rather well-known fella and he'd been a guest on
this show. His name was Michael Riconosciuto.
- Right. Who claims that because he "fingered" the Justice
Department, they "framed" him.
We had four-and-a-half months debriefing him. And we found out so
much, that we were, we were supposed to be, ourselves,
witnesses before the grand jury.
And when the grand jury met, I and an associate of mine were
outside the grand jury's unmarked door while the forelady of the
jury was coming in. And this is not too well known, but every
U.S. citizen has the right to approach the foreperson of a grand
jury and offer testimony. You can't ask what they're doing behind
the unmarked door! But you can offer testimony.
And I did that, and Bua was there and blocked us, but then sat
us down and tried to "sweet talk" us for half an hour that we
should withdraw our charges that 41 witnesses had been murdered.
He promised us that between that point, which was November '92,
and the inauguration of the new President, Clinton, that he
didn't think there'd be any more witnesses that were "done in".
- Now, you know, you've told this story on the show before, and I
always find it fascinating. I would guess that Nicholas J. Bua is
the kind of guy that loves a good challenge and a word game.
And he sat down there, face to face with you guys, knowing you're
worthy adversaries, and I bet he enjoyed it!
- For a half hour, outside the grand jury door, he sat there and
talked to us. Uh, saying... He made us a "social bet". He says,
"Not a business bet. A social bet." He says, "I bet you a
luncheon that between this date" (which was November 18th, I
believe. '92) "and inauguration day" (which was to be January
20th in '93) "that there would be no... there wouldn't be a 42nd
And we held up a copy of the London paper and said, "Look at
this. Ian Stewart Sparrow has just been murdered. He was one of
your witnesses." And I says, "We have..." And you know a funny
thing?! We already had a lawsuit pending against Bua as a
defendant! And there's the defendant, sitting, talking with us,
trying to "sweet talk" us. And he says... I says, "Well the ones
I accused you in court of being involved in the murdering of the
witnesses is part of your FBI team, a Chicago FBI agent."
He says, "Yes. He's part of our team."
I said, "WELL WHAT ARE YOU DOIN' ABOUT IT!!" We have charged in
court that he's goin' around murdering the witnesses!"
He said, "I betcha that by January 20th there won't be any
- There won't be any other murders? Or they're gonna "get" all the
- The point is, he issued his report stating that there was nothing
wrong with the Justice Department's use of Inslaw. That a key
witness that was murdered was actually a suicide -- Danny
Casolaro. And, in other words, he whitewashed the entire thing.
He entered an extensive report saying that, "There was no fraud.
There was no deceit." And that the Justice Department, in
investigating themselves, didn't find anything. [laughs] Well...
- All right. What did you expect when it was sent to Chicago...
- Well wait a minute!
- I've gotta take a break. But you remember what we're gonna wait a
minute on. We'll be right back.
My guest is Sherman Skolnick. I'm Tom Valentine. This is Radio
O.K.! We are back, live, and Sherman Skolnick is my guest!
And Sherman, you said, "Wait a minute," and so we did. We're
waiting a minute. What were you going to say?
- Well, in response to Bua's grand jury report, which he publicized
through the press -- he befriended some of the "news fakers" as
we call 'em, in Washington and a few other places.
- Yes. The "news fakers" of Chicago didn't even cover that grand
jury hearing, by the way.
- Right. [laughs] We were the only journalists that were talking
about it, on our television show, during the whole time! The
[Chicago] Tribune and the rest of 'em pretended that nothing
Elliott Richardson, the Inslaw attorney, filed a rebuttal to
Bua's report early in July of '93. Then a strange event occurred,
a week after the rebuttal: White House aide Vincent Foster, jr.
was found dead. Now, because of what happened thereafter, we
realize that there was a connection. Elliott Richardson then
filed, in addition to his rebuttal to Bua's grand jury report in
February of '94. And there is outlined that they have witnesses
whose names they're fearful of mentioning to the Justice
Department, because the witnesses would be murdered, like others.
And, Elliott Richardson contends that there is a secret
unit in the Justice Department, in a very... heavily secure
section, in with O.S.I., the Office of, uh... Strict, of uh...
- Special Investigations.
- Right! Who are supposed to be "Nazi hunters".
- But that these other ones are in that same section, and that
they go around murdering witnesses!
- Now that's a hell of a thing! You've alleged that on this show,
and we have had Mike Fuller of Virginia and Washington, D.C.
allege it on that show, and a couple of others! But now Elliott
Richardson has alleged it in this...
- Yeah! And he said that he has witnesses in key positions that
confirm that. And that among others, that this, that the special
murder team, in the Justice Department, among those that they
murdered was Danny Casolaro, who was looking into the Inslaw
thing. And Casolaro, a journalist, was working on a book in which
he claimed the Inslaw thing was "The Octopus", that it was tied
in to the October Surprise, Iran-Contra, and numerous other
- But especially BCCI! [Bank of Credit and Commerce International]
[...to be continued...]
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