("Quid coniuratio est?")
SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- WHITEWATER UPDATE
Tom Valentine's guest on Radio Free America (Shortwave, 5.065 MHz, mon-fri, 9 pm cst) on November 30, 1994 was independent researcher and founder of the Citizens Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC], Mr. Sherman Skolnick. Note that views expressed in the following do not necessarily reflect my own views or those of Conspiracy Nation.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK [continues]:
So, I ended up in front of his [Gierum's] office. And he confessed to me in the presence of a former client, as a witness, that the White House is trying to "frame" him about this $50 million and these other matters involving Clinton, and that he won't be able to defend himself, even though he's a skilled lawyer, because the thing is "wired", as they say. In other words, he was fearful that [the "fix" was in]... The only thing is that maybe, if I publicize it, maybe I can prevent him from getting "framed".
So we took the various points of his confession, we wrote it down just as he said it, and we put it into the record of this former client of his who's got a case pending. We sent the copy under the rules, as provided, to Mr. Gierum. And when it came up in court, Gierum didn't dispute it. So in a civil case, it's taken to be admitted. 'Cause when the time comes for him to challenge it, if he doesn't challenge it, it's taken to be admitted. Those are the rules. [CN -- But by "admitted" does Skolnick mean admitted into evidence or also an admission that the confession is true?]
So there is Gierum's confession in January '94 that relates to the current situation where sources close to Kenneth Starr are saying that there's a series of indictments coming, but that so far they're not gonna indict the President and the first lady. That is, not yet!
Now we happen to know a great deal about why they're delaying indicting the President and the first lady. First of all, they invoke "national security"; they feel the country is gonna be turned upside-down if the President is under indictment. I can't... The nearest that ever came to that was in '74 when a District of Columbia grand jury voted an indictment against Nixon which was squelched, and it wasn't discussed until 5 years later that there was such an indictment when Nixon resigned. Most people didn't realize that when Nixon was pardoned there had been a secret federal criminal indictment against him.
Well, you see, in order to be pardoned he had to be indicted!
O.K. So that... I'm just giving you a little historical there.
Now, what's happening is, the grand jury in Little Rock is gonna either name Clinton and his wife as co-conspirators, which is one hair away from actual federal criminal indictment. And I don't know how the President is gonna be able to continue, being named as a co-conspirator, because a co-conspirator generally is so named because he becomes a government witness against the other defendants!
In other words, David Hale, the former municipal judge, has "fingered" Clinton and his wife as being involved in a massive Small Business Administration series of...
My guest is Sherman Skolnick. He is the Committee to Clean-up the Courts.
And you have a telephone number, quickly.
I'm Tom Valentine. This is Radio Free America.
All right, we're talkin' with Sherman Skolnick, folks. And if you, any time, 7 days a week, 24 hours a day, there's a telephone number. It's not a special number; it's an ordinary telephone call. So in the middle of the night it won't cost you hardly anything. It's a 5-minute message. You dial 312-731-1100. That's the Hotline, from the Committee to Clean-up the Courts. And they've always got something juicy on it, wouldn't you say, Sherman?
So Kenneth Starr is apparently gonna have the grand jury name Clinton and his wife as unindicted co-conspirators in a series of indictments involving former Justice Department official Webster Hubbell and the current Arkansas Governor, Jim "Guy" Tucker.
Now the reason for that is, the one that is arranging... that arranged this smuggling operation in '86, was Jim Thompson, who at that time was the [Republican] Governor of Illinois. He's still very powerful. He's a close crony of George Bush.
And so, the Democratic Justice Department, under Janet Reno, in so many words is saying, "O.K. You want to dirty-up the President and the first lady? Fine. We are gonna 'put to the wall' one of George Bush's closest cronies on a dope smuggling charge." And so, they've got the... there's a stand-off! In other words, they may not even indict, they may not even mention, Clinton and his wife as unindicted co-conspirators because Janet Reno's bunch is saying, "Hey! We're gonna put some [laughs], we're gonna put some Republicans to the wall!" [laughs]
So, I mean...
Thompson, our former Governor, is facing indictment. And it's a stand-off now whether Clinton and his wife will be named as unindicted co-conspirators...
Well that's interesting. I mean, the very fact that that comes up in the second paragraph of the story as re-printed in the [Chicago] Tribune on November 25th. It's all very interesting!
I mean, those that know the facts, that know various peoples at various levels of the government -- like ourselves, because we've been at this since 1958; we're not greenhorns, you know what I mean? We know what the basis of this story is! There's a stand- off!
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