("Quid coniuratio est?")
EUSTACE MULLINS -- OCTOBER 28, 1994
Tom Valentine's guest on Radio Free America (Shortwave, 5.065
MHz, mon-fri, 9 pm cst) on October 28, 1994 was controversial
author Eustace Mullins. Note that views expressed in the
following do not necessarily reflect my own views or those of
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Now when you... You were just a young student. And Ezra Pound was
a very controversial figure, world-renowned figure. [He] ended
up, actually, exiled in Italy, didn't he?
Yes, he did. And, in fact, he was never tried. They finally
dropped all the charges against him, after holding him for
thirteen-and-a-half years, and he went back to Italy!
- What were the charges?
- Uh, treason...
- Sedition? That sort of thing?
- Yes. They claimed that he had given aid and comfort to the
enemies of the United States. Well, unfortunately, the enemies of
the United States were Franklin D. Roosevelt and Alger Hiss. You
know, it was Alger Hiss who secured Ezra Pound's indictment for
treason from the Department of Justice.
- The famous turncoat, Alger Hiss.
- Yes. The Soviet KGB agent.
- And now the media was coming out with a story, trying to say,
"Oh Alger Hiss wasn't really a 'commie'."
- Oh they've been saying that for years.
I was in Washington at the height of Alger Hiss' trials. We had
meetings every day with Jim Wiggins, editor of the Washington
Post, George Stimpson, founder of the National Press Club. And
boy, did we have some battle royales about the Alger Hiss case.
- I'll bet!
All right, so you've been born and raised in this area of
Virginia, near the nation's capital, haven't you?
- Yes. I'm not far from Washington. In fact, I really grew up on
Capitol Hill and the Library of Congress! Not only... Actually
[I] was on the staff of the Library of Congress for quite awhile.
- Is that right. See, no wonder you had access to a lot of things.
And Ezra Pound, then: did you get to know him pretty well?
- Oh I visited him every day for three years. And for three years,
every day, he lectured me on world history! So that's how I found
out what I know.
- That is fascinating.
All right. My guest is Eustace Mullins. And we are talking about
history. We're gonna just talk, if you don't mind, in a general
way, Eustace, about things that you have seen, starting back in
the times when you were influenced by Ezra Pound and it shaped
your life for ya. And what we have gone through since then, to
the point we are now. I think it would be kind of an interesting
trail to follow.
I'm Tom Valentine, this is Radio Free America.
All right, we're back, live. If you'd like to join us, it's 1-
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of conspiracies, you're gonna get a real education here.
All right, so here you were, Eustace, as a young man. And now,
here we are, this many years later. Have you ever sat down and
just kind of chronicled in your mind how things have followed the
patterns that people like Ezra Pound predicted they would?
- Oh very much so. You see, Ezra had already been studying this
situation for 40 years when I met him. So he turned over a lot of
that 30, 40 years of research to me, which got me off to a flying
start. And when I published my federal reserve book in 1952 (it's
been in print since 1952), I would go to meetings and people
would (and I was quite young-looking in those days), and people
would say to me, "That's a great book that your father wrote."
- Because they couldn't believe that I had written this definitive
history of the central bank at my age. And, of course, I could
not have done it without Pound's guidance.
- All right. There's a lot of people that don't really understand
why you and I will say that the federal reserve is the biggest
problem America has. Can... Put together: why is it and how...
Tell the story of how it came to pass.
- Well they had a secret meeting at the millionaires club, on
Thanksgiving of 1910, at Jekyll Island, Georgia. Which, at that
time, the members of the Jekyll Island club controlled one-sixth
of the wealth of the entire world. These people were very
powerful: Rockefeller, Morgan, Aldrich... The same people, by the
way, the same banking houses, which are running the world today,
they got together in 1910. And this "federal reserve" was simply
a takeover scheme! It was sort of like a Mafia group of
chieftains, getting together for the biggest robbery in history!
- And Nelson Aldrich was a very powerful senator. And he was
related to the Rothschilds, I mean to Rockefellers, and so he was
the one that pushed it through Congress.
- Well he certainly was. And also, he was the chairman at this
secret meeting down there. And of course, his daughter married
John D. Rockefeller, jr. So that's how he had a grandson named
Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller.
- O.K. Now. Nelson Rockefeller's a very familiar name -- the
Now these fellows: why would commercial bankers like this --
the House of Morgan, and I believe even the European bankers are
in on this, are they not?
- Oh yeah. Well this meeting was actually commissioned by Albert
Rothschild of London. It was a Rothschild meeting, really.
- O.K. So the banking House of Rothschild... And I remember another
name, a very powerful name, called Warburg.
- Oh the Warburg... Paul Warburg was there at Jekyll Island. He
represented the House of Rothschild in the United States,
secretly, through a firm called Kuhn-Loeb Company, of New York.
- Well they're still around!
- Oh yeah. Kuhn-Loeb is now part of Lehman Brothers, ShearsonLehman.
But Kuhn-Loeb's senior partner at that time, Paul
Warburg's senior partner, Jacob Schiff, actually advanced $20
million of his personal funds to perpetrate the Bolshevik
Revolution in Russia!
- That's a famous story that's not famous.
- That's right. And you see, it took me many years of research to
find out that Communism had been totally backed and financed and
promoted by the federal reserve system!
- That is just a scarey thing for Americans to hear. 'Cause --
"Wait a minute! We just spent 40 years in a Cold War. You mean to
tell me we were building up all of our armaments and everything
for people that we financed!?"
- That's right! Even during the Cold War, the federal reserve
system continued to finance the Soviet Union -- which was never
a viable economy; it was a Third World economy. And we continued
to finance, through the federal reserve system, through the Bank
for International Settlements, in Switzerland. That's how we kept
the Soviet Union going all these years. That's why we had to
spend $248 billion a year for defense against this monstrous
Soviet Union during the Cold War!
- And the guys in... Wall Street types actually financed it, in
order to get it going and to build ourselves an enemy.
- They had to, from the very beginning. From 1917 on. In fact,
Anthony Sutton has a very good book: Wall Street and the
Bolshevik Revolution, which gives you a lot of the facts on
that. And, of course, I have that in my World Order also.
- Yes. The New World Order has it. [CN -- See also an excellent
book of the same name by Pat Robertson.]
Now, it's interesting. Money. They want to control the money. And
they did that, naturally, because the federal reserve system --
which is a private banking group, based upon what you discovered
is absolute proof...
And oh! One more item. Didn't it slip through Congress at a very
strange period in time?
- Uh Christmas of 1913.
- Christmas. Wait around for the Christmas break and pass it
Was it a voice vote?
- No, it was a majority vote.
You see, what happened: many of the congressmen who opposed this
federal reserve act in 1913 (including Charles Lindbergh of
Minnesota, father of the aviator), they had to go home for
Christmas, which was a long trip in those days. There were no
747s to whisk them [to] Minnesota in a couple hours. And so they
left about the 15th of December. Well on December the 23rd, the
senators who were left rushed it through Congress and got it
- And they had a quorum.
- And they had a quorum, and it was passed legally. And the New
York Times commented: "Never has legislation of such importance
been passed so quickly under such circumstances."
- And yet the people didn't catch on! And of course they didn't
catch on because the New York Times didn't really say, "This is
a scam." They probably were all for it.
- Oh they were for it entirely. Well in fact, the Warburg... Paul
Warburg, who secretly wrote the federal reserve system, was
actually controlling the New York Times at that time.
- Fascinating. And people wonder why you and I are "conspiracy
- [laughs] All right, my guest is Eustace Mullins. We're talking
now about his books and about the, well, "conspiracy fact".
And you live in these United States. You need to know these
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I'm Tom Valentine, this is Radio Free America.
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