Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 4 Num. 83

("Quid coniuratio est?")

[CN Editor -- I cannot vouch for the accuracy of all of the following. It may or may not be true, I just don't know. However I consider Skolnick to be an honest and careful investigator.]

[The following is a transcript of a recorded phone message put out by a group in Chicago called "Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts [CCCC]." (312) 731-1100 and (312) 731-1505.]

Hi! Sherman Skolnick, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts, 9800 South Oglesby.

She's a consultant on high-tech -- Trapp Technologies -- and, an expert on espionage: Debra von Trapp.

DEBRA VON TRAPP: I, along with Robert Getzman(sp?), an FBI employee, Peter Stanley, a CIA employee named Wes Thomas, out of New York, a DIA [Defense Intelligence Agency] employee named Jim Colefield(sp?), who is a banking communications software transfer specialist out of Washington DC... This team of people, when [George] Bush lost the election, we transitioned from the project we were on to being paid (although I was never paid -- they were paid) by the Japanese government, through the Embassy of Japan in Washington, to set up a surveillance operation on the Clinton administration. And essentially what we did was, we arranged to have a CIA employee that was left at the White House in an office administration, named David Herold(?), issue all of the Clinton administration's purchase orders out of the executive office.

But from the very moment that he was President, he was spied on by the Japanese government, and all of his communications were compromised.

SHERMAN SKOLNICK: Didn't the Secret Service or any of them... In other words, was there some connivance with the Secret Service so that they...

DEBRA VON TRAPP: Oh! Specifically, one specific Secret Service person that cooperated entirely. And that Secret Service agent was bounced out of the White House. He'd been there under Bush, and then with Clinton. And he was sent back to the Secret Service office at Oklahoma City.

SHERMAN SKOLNICK: And that's the one that died there, in the bombing?

DEBRA VON TRAPP: Yeah. And in fact, they made sure that he was in the building that morning, before they set the bomb off. That was specifically intended, by the Japanese government, who had, again, paid for and "contracted" this. It was a "message" back.

And April 19th is not the significant date on this. It was April 20th in Japan -- it was one month, to the day, of the subway attack, which was March 20th.

And then Clinton and Hillary sat in front of his [the deceased Secret Service agent's] widow and daughter at the memorial service.

SHERMAN SKOLNICK: In other words, Clinton... You believe that the President has some knowledge of what's going on?

DEBRA VON TRAPP: The President has direct knowledge! I mean, the White House has had direct communication with me, which is why you see the "White House Counsel" faxes back to me -- have you seen cover sheets from that?


DEBRA VON TRAPP: We've been in a complete discussion about what they were going to do about these circumstances, and the fact that the Japanese had "bugged" the White House and the DNC [Democratic National Committee] and the District of Columbia, since we... on the operation that I was on. I thought I was turning everybody in to Janet Reno and she turned the investigation over to Paul Coffey(sp?) -- and he killed the investigation!

SHERMAN SKOLNICK: How long ago was that?

DEBRA VON TRAPP: She started the investigation July 25th of '94, and by August, Coffey had killed it.

You see, I am outside of this. I owned a consulting firm that was taken over by the FBI and CIA, without any choice on my part. Because I had crossed Aldrich Ames and Daniel Starkey(sp?) at Xerox, early on in my career. And then they had come back and tried to take everything from me, including my house. Then they threatened to kill myself and my child.

SHERMAN SKOLNICK: (A court fight developed between her and Xerox when she tried to expose Xerox for unlawfully selling high technology to the Soviet bloc at a time it was illegal to do so.)

DEBRA VON TRAPP: Well, Robert Getzman called me the night that Vince Foster died -- excited, screaming over the phone, "We did him! We did him!" And I said, "Did who?" And he said, "Vince Foster." And I said, "What do you mean?" And he said, "We did him!" And I said, "Well where did you 'do' him?" And he said, "Well we did him somewhere else, but we dumped him in a 'queer' park to send Clinton and his 'queer' wife a message!"

SHERMAN SKOLNICK: (She says the American CIA arranged the poison gas attack against the Japanese subway, and they got revenge by bombing the building in Oklahoma. She said the citizens' militias had nothing to do with it!)

SHERMAN SKOLNICK: Who do you believe the "job" was contracted out to, as to the Oklahoma City bombing?

DEBRA VON TRAPP: A few individuals that are presently still active military, special operations, out of a base in Alabama.

In Chicago, see us on cable tv, channel 21, 9 pm [cst] most Monday evenings.

Play it again: "The Rotten FBI". (312) 731-1505.

New message Tuesday; we change it several times a week.

Donations appreciated. Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the Courts, 9800 South Oglesby, Chicago, [Illinois] 60617. For the latest on courts, banks, espionage agencies, political assassinations, and the news media. On 24 hours a day.

I encourage distribution of "Conspiracy Nation."

For information on how to receive the new Conspiracy Nation Newsletter, send an e-mail message to
If you would like "Conspiracy Nation" sent to your e-mail address, send a message in the form "subscribe conspire My Name" to -- To cancel, send a message in the form "unsubscribe conspire" to
Aperi os tuum muto, et causis omnium filiorum qui pertranseunt. Aperi os tuum, decerne quod justum est, et judica inopem et pauperem. -- Liber Proverbiorum XXXI: 8-9

Brian Francis Redman "The Big C"

Coming to you from Illinois -- "The Land of Skolnick"