("Quid coniuratio est?")
Troy Underhill on KSFO Radio
July 19, 1995
Troy Underhill, of Media Bypass magazine, was the guest on a radio show out of the San Francisco area recently. He discussed the explosive James R. Norman article, "Fostergate" (in the current issue of Media Bypass; phone 1-800-4BYPASS to order).
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The mainstream media.
The mainstream media.
You know, we're all supposed to be...
The mainstream media that your magazine bypasses! [laughs]
That is correct. They are chiming the same tune. And, of course, they spiked it. We ran it.
But the man is "sticking by his guns" -- Mr. Norman -- and I applaud him. And this is something that, of course, you read, we put the White House response letter in our magazine, from Michael McCurry.
And I tell you what: we're gonna share that with our listeners in a moment. (First we have some business to do.)
...Media Bypass magazine. And I told our listeners, Troy, I'd share with them the response that the White House provided to Mr. Norman back in April, when he asked for clarification on it. And it's a quick letter. It just says that
Dear Mr. Norman:
This letter responds to your April 17th, 1995 request.
The allegations contained in your request are outrageous. Publication of these false allegations will discredit [Forbes], maliciously tarnish the reputation of Vince Foster, and cause great pain to Mr. Foster's wife and family.
Should [Forbes] insist on publishing these baseless allegations, we insist that the <<blank>> have a pre- publication meeting with Jean Chervern(sp?) of the White House counsel's office and a personal representative of the president and first lady.
David E. Kendall(sp?) William & Connolly(sp?)
(And he provides the phone numbers for Ms. Chervern... And the numbers are printed here, in the magazine!)
They were ticked! And apparently their concern was that such a story would tarnish the reputation of Vince Foster and bring great pain to his family. Notwithstanding the fact that, if this stuff is... and it is documented! How can you ignore it?
Troy, how do they respond to this?
For one thing, the reason we put the phone numbers in there was, we're nothing more than a public service to the American people, if they may want to...
Well I thought you put 'em in there to "crunch their cookies"!
Ummm... I'll let you use those words.
I just did.
But the simple fact of the matter is (and I'm gonna keep goin' back to this, Jeff): we can bring this out to the American people. I'm hoping, within the next couple of weeks, Forbes will, on their op-ed page, write on this very subject. The fact of the matter is, in this country, what we are dealing with is some of the most criminal elements of this country not being the guy down the street that steals a loaf of bread (though he is a criminal). We're dealing with our politicians, the men and women who run our country, benefiting where you and I have to make it the old-fashioned way: we have to get out and sweat, and we have to earn it the hard way. And...
Well all the spin on Vince Foster was he was "squeeky clean" "Mr. Nice Guy" -- and never any mention of the fact that he had $2.73 million squirreled away in some Swiss bank account.
Where was the media!? Where was the media... You know, how they went after, let's say, a guy like Mr. Nixon? They just tore him to pieces. And hell, he resigned over it! Over what they were comin' after him for. Where was the media when Mr. Foster died? A couple days of information, then just carry on as if nothing happened. And here we're dealing with the highest-ranking government official to die under mysterious circumstances since John F. Kennedy! And we get two or three days mention in the press, and it's just brushed over.
There's something really wrong in this country, Geoff. There's something really...
One of the constant concerns that a lot of our listeners have articulated is, that with Vince Foster, with... You go back to Ruby Ridge. It seems like it started with Ruby Ridge, it got worse at Waco. Oklahoma City. It's not so much that anyone is saying, "Hey! Yeah, yeah. This is a conspiracy." But questions that reasonable people would ask, aren't being asked!!
Yeah, look at what happened, what the BATF was just caught at down in Tennessee (I'm sure you're aware of that), with what -- and I'm gonna quote -- the "nigger hunting licenses" they were selling.
...was talking about that on the air yesterday and today.
Well, let me tell ya this. The gentlemen, the men down there that got into this and filmed it (and I'm talkin' on video tape, and photographs)... One of the men, that happens to be a subscriber to our magazine, we got the exclusive, over the weekend. We have the video footage. And when you see the 24-man color portrait of all these BATF guys -- some of them are even wearing their BATF shirts -- flipping "the finger" off at the camera, holding up their "nigger hunting license". And we ask, where in the hell is Peter Jennings, Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, and Ted Turner? It's a travesty in the United States of America when the American people can't be given this information. It was two months ago that every militia, patriot, constitutionalist -- anyone that had a fundamentalist view in this country, or just a constitutional, legal view in this country, were "radical", "right wing", "paranoid", para-military; they were anti-government. And yet when we have it on film, documented proof, on videotape -- nothin'.
Troy, I've got to take a brief pause and do some business. But it all goes back to the old "Metcalfism". And that is, that they don't want to be confused with facts that already contradict their pre-conceived opinion.
We are speaking with Troy Underhill about this "Fostergate" story.
The biggest question that I have, obviously, is now that the story is out, what, if any, kind of reaction we're going to get -- particularly because, right now, the Senate is going through their dog-and-pony show: "Whitewater II: The Senate Hearings". And since this is obviously so directly linked to what happened and why things might have happened, what (if anything) of this story is introduced into the Whitewater hearings is going to be most interesting.
The one thing that I've been able to see is how they keep talkin', Mr. D'Amato keeps talkin' about "What were those documents?" "What were the documents that were taken out of Vince Foster's office?" Sources say that Webb Hubbell has handed over those documents to Kenn Starr. But that doesn't make me feel any better, Geoff, with Mr. Starr at the helm of this investigation. We have to go back and look at Mr. Rodriguez, who was brought in by the independent counsel to head up the Vince Foster grand jury investigation. And he quit! Because he was bein' pressured. Last night, Reed Irvine of Accuracy In Media was on with Ted Koppel, tellin' Ted the same thing. 'Cuz Ted kept saying, "Well how does all these government agencies, how do they all cover it up? I can understand one or two, but how do they all cover it up? Is there some kind of conspiracy? Are they conspiring?"
You know, the media's lazy, for one thing. And Reed's done a real good job of pointing that out.
[...to be continued...]
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